At this point.. do you consider PS3, Xbox 360, Wii and past retro?

[BLUEVOODU]

Looking for organizational thoughts for our sections.  So we have the Retro section below Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony.     I edited those sections to clarify a few things.  However, I ran into a personal conundrum... IT's hard for me to consider PS3 / Xbox 360 / Wii era systems Retro at this time... However, do they fit the definition?

Part of the text I put in the board description for Xbox, Sony, and Nintendo follows:
Older system topics should be created in the Retro Gaming Board.

So what do you think?  This will determine all future organization of this section.  Obviously this will mold in the future... IE as other systems drop off "current" status... we will probably move those topics into Retro.  Or is that even a good idea...?   Sometimes these small details trip me up.

I appreciate the feedback and input.

[Kinikko]

To me retro is 2+ generations old.  :/  But I guess the Wii fits there then don't it just cause Nintendo is ahead of everyone else. 

[targetrasp]

I guess you've got to ask yourself...

do you consider the song "My Humps" by the black eyed peas retro?

xbox 360 was relased in 2005, same year as Monkey Business by the Black Eyed Peas. My Humps charted mid 40's in the Billboard top 100 for 2006, wii and ps3 was released in november of 2006.

The difference is the longevity of a system vs. the longevity of a console. Those consoles enjoyed 6 - 7 years as current gen while popular songs fade much sooner...

So might we consider (and hopefully this is a ton of work for BV)  current gen, previous gen, and retro destinctions?

[CreepinDeth]

I guess you've got to ask yourself...

do you consider the song "My Humps" by the black eyed peas retro?

That's... an oddly specific example to use in your analogy. 

These consoles are over a decade old. In technology years, that's a long time. I would consider them retro. Especially since they're the last to support the old 4:3 aspect ratio format.

[BLUEVOODU]

I guess you've got to ask yourself...  do you consider the song "My Humps" by the black eyed peas retro?

So might we consider (and hopefully this is a ton of work for BV)  current gen, previous gen, and retro destinctions?

LOL... that's a pretty amazing analogy.   Hats off to you sir.   AND in the same breath... I'm going to say... SUCK IT for the last comment lol.   Or did you mean "Isn't a ton of work for BV?"  If so, I take back the suck it comment.

These consoles are over a decade old. In technology years, that's a long time. I would consider them retro. Especially since they're the last to support the old 4:3 aspect ratio format.

See... That's exactly where I'm at.   And to Kinikko's point... Nintendo is ahead of the curve on this lol.   I'm leaning to the side they are retro as well.  We are talking 12-13 years ago the systems came out.  See... all points so far make sense and there's my conundrum.


I also struggle with the "we are posting in PlayStation for PS4 right now.  But when PS5 comes out... I will have to move all old PS4 posts to the retro board."  That may not seem like a big deal.. but it can be a pain and Search Engine links can be lost.  Now, I can do redirect topics when they move... but then you have a ton of redirect topics.

It makes more sense to have boards calling out the Specific systems... but for forums these days... that's too narrow topic wise.

[CreepinDeth]

When the PS5 comes out, the PS4 won't be a decade old. Maybe 6 or 7, so I wouldn't consider it retro until the PS6. Normally, I would agree with the 2+ generation argument, but the jump from SD to HD makes it a good cut off point in my opinion.

[retro junkie]

I am really the wrong person to respond to this question. 

[BLUEVOODU]

When the PS5 comes out, the PS4 won't be a decade old. Maybe 6 or 7, so I wouldn't consider it retro until the PS6. Normally, I would agree with the 2+ generation argument, but the jump from SD to HD makes it a good cut off point in my opinion.

Ok. So we are saying Xbox 360 and PS3 stays in current.... wii,ds  falls off to retro. Wii U, 3ds and switch  are current.  Except... 3ds still plays da... 

Are we all on the same page there?  Only gray area would be DS in my opinion. 

Last...  any suggestions on moving posts for the future?  Ie once the 360 and PS3 move into retro land

[targetrasp]

Yeah it was taken as intended!

I guess you've got to ask yourself...  do you consider the song "My Humps" by the black eyed peas retro?

So might we consider (and hopefully this is a ton of work for BV)  current gen, previous gen, and retro destinctions?

LOL... that's a pretty amazing analogy.   Hats off to you sir.   AND in the same breath... I'm going to say... SUCK IT for the last comment lol.   Or did you mean "Isn't a ton of work for BV?"  If so, I take back the suck it comment.

These consoles are over a decade old. In technology years, that's a long time. I would consider them retro. Especially since they're the last to support the old 4:3 aspect ratio format.

See... That's exactly where I'm at.   And to Kinikko's point... Nintendo is ahead of the curve on this lol.   I'm leaning to the side they are retro as well.  We are talking 12-13 years ago the systems came out.  See... all points so far make sense and there's my conundrum.


I also struggle with the "we are posting in PlayStation for PS4 right now.  But when PS5 comes out... I will have to move all old PS4 posts to the retro board."  That may not seem like a big deal.. but it can be a pain and Search Engine links can be lost.  Now, I can do redirect topics when they move... but then you have a ton of redirect topics.

It makes more sense to have boards calling out the Specific systems... but for forums these days... that's too narrow topic wise.

[BLUEVOODU]

lol... Thanks.


BACK to the topic 

[mastermario]

I don't consider these three systems retro. Anything before that, I would. I mean, hell, the Xbox 360 game servers are still running.

[CreepinDeth]

Ok. So we are saying Xbox 360 and PS3 stays in current.... wii,ds  falls off to retro. Wii U, 3ds and switch  are current.  Except... 3ds still plays da... 

Well, what I'm saying is the following go to retro -

• PS3
• 360
• DS
• Wii

As for the 3DS playing DS games, I personally wouldn't count backwards compatibility. All of the current gen systems have some form of BC but they wouldn't be considered retro.

I don't consider these three systems retro. Anything before that, I would. I mean, hell, the Xbox 360 game servers are still running.

What if the servers are still running in 20 years? I don't think this would be a good metric to consider something retro or not but that's just me. PS3 servers are being shut down more quickly than 360. Hell, there are some current gen servers that are being shut down now and people are pretty pissed about that.

[mastermario]

What if the servers are still running in 20 years? I don't think this would be a good metric to consider something retro or not but that's just me. PS3 servers are being shut down more quickly than 360. Hell, there are some current gen servers that are being shut down now and people are pretty pissed about that.

Well, I don't think there's currently a lot of precedence for something like that to happen. I think we've typically seen that once the console developer decides it's not worth it to keep the servers up due to lack of interest, they're pretty good about turning them off. We'll see some third party servers pop up after that, but once the manufacturers give up on it I take that as a pretty good sign that those console's time is done.

Obviously there are exceptions for some classic games like the original Starcraft, but those are more one-offs.

I don't know if there is a right answer to this question though haha. I just don't feel like the 360 is old enough to be retro because I was still playing it 5 years ago.

[CreepinDeth]

I don't know if there is a right answer to this question though haha.

Agreed. Ultimately it's BV's decision. I'd be fine with whatever it ends up being. 

[BLUEVOODU]

Decision or not... Just want to make sure everyone has a say - as much as possible and we mold this together.  Even more important than that... we have fun doing this lol.

How about this... from now and indefinitely, we include Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 in with the current gen.  There will be no moving of Playstation 3 or 360 to Retro Wii stays as classic / retro.

All Agree with that?

[Kinikko]

Yeah that doesn't bother me at all. :3

[CreepinDeth]

All Agree with that?

I'm fine with that.

[retro junkie]

I'm good.

[BLUEVOODU]

Cool. I'll change those boards and we'll run with that.   We can change this in the future as well. 

With this board, I want us to do things that make sense, good for the future, and that make for a good experienfe over all ... plus give ample opportunities for creating topics and posts and a large scale.   We can always change as everything changes in the future.

I want to avoid as much extra work as possible all together including moving posts around. Topics gain search engine rankings and followings and if we move them, they can lose some of that pull.  Yes, there are ways to redirect topics that point to the new posts, but there's still good chance to lose that following. 

That's all - just thinking ahead.

[BLUEVOODU]

Well, what I'm saying is the following go to retro -

• PS3
• 360
• DS
• Wii

As for the 3DS playing DS games, I personally wouldn't count backwards compatibility. All of the current gen systems have some form of BC but they wouldn't be considered retro.

What if the servers are still running in 20 years? I don't think this would be a good metric to consider something retro or not but that's just me. PS3 servers are being shut down more quickly than 360. Hell, there are some current gen servers that are being shut down now and people are pretty pissed about that.

I'm starting to reconsider - I made a decision to make a decision but was thinking about this again / rereading responses. I really should stop over analyzing .   I still am leaning with creepn's  suggestion.  Which isn't a hard thing to implement now.  But the question comes when it's time for PS4 to move to retro, do we move all PS4 topics or do we leave PS4 as 'current' for the future.

This is abbot reason why at ega I had a board for each system (roughly).  It easily answered the question.  But I think these days, that makes the boards too narrow.  I could be wrong on that

[targetrasp]

this is like trying to organize a my documents folder or a shared cloud drive for an office...

should the credit cards go in the bills folder or make a credit cards folder? I've got a folder for receipts but should the capitol improvement ones go in the PIP upgrade folder?

I end up having to draw this stuff out on paper

[CreepinDeth]

So there's two ways this could probably go down.

• A general gaming section. Includes all console, handheld and PC discussion. Doesn't matter if it's retro or current
• Dedicated Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega, PC & Misc. boards. Everything that is made by these 1st parties will fall in to their respective boards and platforms that were never popular can go under Misc.

I think trying to get granular is what's causing the over-analyzing.

[Kinikko]

• A general gaming section. Includes all console, handheld and PC discussion. Doesn't matter if it's retro or current
• Dedicated Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega, PC & Misc. boards. Everything that is made by these 1st parties will fall in to their respective boards and platforms that were never popular can go under Misc.

I personally like #2 better.  I feel like it needs some form of organization and shouldn't be all lumped in together in one board. 

[BLUEVOODU]

I am really starting to think about #2 (lolz...).  I think this solves several dilemmas.    If we start going down this route, we probably will end up like EGA a bit again.   But I'm leaning to start adding Sega, SNK (Neo Geo) and others.

Speaking of that, I'm diving head 1st into some development - I'd like to make a full game repository... amongst other features.   I'm starting to get more and more of a picture of where to progress the site.  While browsing Nintendolife, Gamefaqs, IGN, and several other sites...  the condensed board doesn't seem to work as well.  By condensed, I mean trying to cram several gaming systems into 1.  Though several other "articles and discussions" state super specific boards don't work either in this day and age. 


With this... I'm also leaning towards even creating boards for systems and all games.  Not sure about this yet... It's going to take some planning and thought... will be working on ideas this weekend.

With that... thoughts?  ideas? Suggestions?

[targetrasp]

organization and design are not strong points of mine. Pretty, slick, easy to navigate typically means less content. Forums and discussion boards are typically a quasi-organized mess at best. people like us have difficulties presenting information to the masses.

If your IT work has exposed you to much having to do with Oracle I'll have little difficulty making my point. They make the property management system we use at work and every single interface that connects other vendors systems and equipment to it. If I change a piece of equipment or update an operating system I have to then reach out to a million different people to find one person that knows anything about anything. Half the time it takes telling the sales rep (because they're immediately reachable) you're not going to pay the bill to get bumped to the right person or department. If I decide not to talk to a person there's an extensive knowledge base wrapped up in support program that takes a phd to decode and navigate BUT anything you ever needed to fix your problem is there... somewhere.

I've ran into this in may aspects of computer based technology. We just can't seem to come up with a good way to present information. I'm in the middle of putting network attached storage on our back office network so all departments have instant access to information and forms. Outside of handing out crayons and coloring books I've had zero luck.

I go off topic (maybe more topic adjacent?) to illustrate what has to be your frustrations. I've visited a lot of forums and will say that if it wasn't for a search bar I'd not find anything. The visually pleasing forums have no content and the robust forums look like a tornado tore through a flea market. I think if you can do what you're trying to do on the level it seems like you're shooting for you should go into design.

[BLUEVOODU]

LOL... you hit the nail on the head with that last post. Organization can be hard... perfect post, you made.   I Think we have a superb foundation right now for growing forward.  We have some things to accomplish in the next few months...

BUT...

Honestly.... I see this forum as light years ahead of our previous forum. Partly because lessons were learned.  Not to get all deep on this thread because.... this it the "what do you consider retro thread." 

[Grindspine]

Game Boy Advance, PS2, and Xbox are becoming retro.  PS3 and 360 are still current.

To be retro, support has to be totally gone for a system.